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The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:21 am
by Moriel
Check it out!!

"HarperCollins have announced that a new Tolkien publication,The Fall of Númenor, will be published on 10th November 2022. Edited by well-known Tolkien expert Brian Sibley, the book collects together J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings of the Second Age.
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The book also comes with 11 colour images (10 and the cover), and dozens of pencil sketches by renowned Tolkien artist Alan Lee. Entirely new artwork that has been described as Lee’s “best work yet”.


I can't wait!! :dance:

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:19 am
by Drífa
Oooh, cool! I have pre-order it! I can't wait to read the new chronicles from the various published texts. :clap:
This autumn will also see new editions of The Silmarillion and The Complete Guide to Middle-earth
:thumbs:

I just spotted another publication on Amazon— Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien

Thanks for the post, Moriel! :heart:

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:20 am
by Romeran
Nice! I will have to pre order this. It does sound like it’s all from existing material:

“Now, using ‘The Tale of Years’ in The Lord of the Rings as a starting point, Brian Sibley has assembled from the various published texts in a way that tells for the very first time in one volume the tale of the Second Age of Middle-earth, whose events would ultimately lead to the Third Age, and the War of the Ring, as told in The Lord of the Rings.”

Unlike NoME. But still very excited to read it put together “nice and proper” as a hobbit might say.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:28 am
by Moriel
Definitely! I''m hoping it will incorporate material from NoME as that's a "published text" now, and we got quite a bit of exciting new Númenor stuff there- as incredible as it would be to get even more new material, having all the Númenor things repackaged and re-edited in one volume as this seems to be will be thrilling for Númenor stans such as myself :googly:

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:04 am
by Silky Gooseness
Honestly, I’d get this just for the fresh Alan Lee illustrations - he never disappoints.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:36 am
by Eldy Dunami
Based on the press release, I expect this to be similar to the recent anthology editions of Beren and Lúthien and The Fall of Gondolin—that is to say, collections of previously published material arranged thematically and with less commentary than in HoMe—but a couple people I've spoken with take Sibley's reference to a "single narrative" (and his comparatively slight scholarly credentials compared to his experience with Tolkien adaptations) to mean he'll take a substantially more active editorial role.

We'll have to wait and see, but in either case, I'll definitely check out the illustrations even if I don't buy the book. Besides the cover art, Entertainment Weekly already has three of Alan Lee's pencil sketches from The Fall of Númenor.

Armenelos:

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Narvi:

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Sauron surrenders to the Númenoreans:

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Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 am
by Drífa
I always enjoy Lee's depiction of dwarves. Look at that long beard!! :grin:

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:38 am
by Silky Gooseness
@Narv can you confirm if this is an accurate illustration of your good self sir

(In seriousness thank you @Eldy Dunami for sharing the pics - really hyped now to see the rest! I hope we get some in colour!)

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:44 pm
by Narv
A close look suggests that the above is likely a depiction of my distant cousin Narvi of Moria. The proud Moris lineage from which I am derived can be discerned by certain subtle identifying characteristics such as wider eyes, balder heads, thinner beards, opener mouths, more ribbon-like arms, and extremely baller pants - although since the above depiction does not show the pants, it is impossible to be certain.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:26 am
by The Good Hunter
All I'm gonna say is they damned well better have a live section about sacred bear dances, otherwise I will consider the whole the a waste of time and Brian Sibley to be a heretic of the highest order

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:35 am
by Eldy Dunami
Heads up: The Fall of Númenor is currently available for preorder in advance of its November 15 publication date.

https://www.amazon.com/Fall-N%C3%BAmeno ... 06328068X/
https://www.bookdepository.com/Fall-Num ... 0063280687
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780063280687

For my part, I'm looking forward to the new Alan Lee illustrations, and also curious to find out more about what exactly the book contains in terms of written content. Unfortunately, neither Amazon nor Google Books is offering a preview of it.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:43 am
by Boromir88
Eldy Dunami wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:35 am
For my part, I'm looking forward to the new Alan Lee illustrations, and also curious to find out more about what exactly the book contains in terms of written content. Unfortunately, neither Amazon nor Google Books is offering a preview of it.
It appears to me to be a repackaging of already published materials. To put all the stuff Tolkien wrote on Numenor, from The Silm, UT, HoME, NoME and put it all in one place. Sort of create a 2nd Age timeline for Numenor compiled in one book so we don't have to go searching through 12 volumes of HoME. I think that sort of repackaging is nice just for convenience, but unfortunately it doesn't appear like there will be "new" Numenor stories. For instance, there won't be like what Children of Hurin did for the Fall of Gondolin.

The only "new" material is the Alan Lee sketches, and Brian Sibley's commentary, but that could be worth it just for those things.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:53 am
by Eldy Dunami
Boromir88 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:43 amIt appears to me to be a repackaging of already published materials. To put all the stuff Tolkien wrote on Numenor, from The Silm, UT, HoME, NoME and put it all in one place.
That's my guess, too, but an Internet friend of mine (who used to post on the Plaza) thinks it might be something more in the model of the 1977 Silmarillion, and I'm curious in spite of myself, even though I think such an endeavor would almost certainly fail spectacularly. And is probably not what this book is, anyway. :tongue:

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:11 pm
by Eldy Dunami
This post from HarperCollins' official Tolkien Facebook page includes a number of photographs of the book, obviously intended to highlight the illustrations, which give us the closest thing we've seen to an excerpt thus far.
Adhering to the timeline of ‘The Tale of Years’ in the appendices to The Lord of the Rings, editor Brian Sibley has assembled into one comprehensive volume a new chronicle of the Second Age of Middle-earth, told substantially in the words of J.R.R. Tolkien from the various published texts, with new illustrations in watercolour and pencil by the doyen of Tolkien art, Alan Lee.
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This perhaps gives a clue as to what "adhering to the timeline of 'The Tale of Years' " looks like in practice: chapter headings seem to be taken from the entries in Appendix B. The smaller-font introductory text by Sibley is more reminiscent of The History of Middle-earth than Unfinished Tales (where Christopher's commentary rarely came at the start of chapters), much less the The Silmarillion, and the fact that he's quoting one of Tolkien's letters does not really suggest something in the model of Christopher's 1977 work.

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On the other hand, the next two images show direct reproductions of text from the 1977 Silmarillion (from OTROP and the Akallabêth, respectively). That provides a more natural flow than quoting from the letters, but it's strange to me that Sibley refused to do even the minimal amount of rewriting necessary to avoid using square brackets, which are of course standard in scholarly writing (and seriousface Lore posts on message boards :grin:) but are somewhat jarring in narrative fiction, IMO.

It'll be interesting to see more in a couple weeks!

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:06 pm
by Saranna
I have my copy on order at my local independent bookshop and am lookin forward to it very much.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:48 pm
by Drífa

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:20 am
by Eldy Dunami
So, The Fall of Númenor was published on Tuesday, and I stopped by the bookstore I used to work in so I could take a look. The first thing I did was admire all the Alan Lee color illustrations, which were nice (there are also dozens of pencil sketches), but as a big Second Age fangirl I was most interested in the text. And ... to put it lightly, I'm not a fan. The format is basically as indicated by the few previews that made their way out: editor Brian Sibley uses the timeline from LOTR Appendix B ("The Tale of Years") as his table of contents, and each chronologically arranged chapter consists of passages excerpted from various Tolkien works. These excerpts are of wildly varying length and style: the book continually switches between narratives, fairly dry worldbuilding description, and completely out-of-universe stuff like Tolkien's letters. The effect is not pleasant.

The "About This Book" introduction says this volume's purpose is to "provide extracts—with as few editorial interventions as possible—that illustrate in the author's own words the rich and tumultuous events of the Second Age as summarised [in] Appendix B." Sibley accomplishes that, but in focusing so strictly on fleshing out the Tale of Years, he jettisons much of the richness of the Second Age. It's also a classic example of something I've complained about before, treating the Second Age as mere fodder for backstory to LOTR rather than something with inherent worth as its own part of the legendarium. Chopping up the Second Age texts into little chunks destroys any sense of them as coherent works, and using the Tale of Years as a table of contents is pretty much the apotheosis of looking solely through the lens of LOTR.

Sibley's presentation of Aldarion and Erendis is, to me, the most egregious example. A&E is the closest thing to a Second Age novel Tolkien wrote, and while it's a crucial source of information about Númenor—I assume this is why Sibley included it despite it not appearing in the Tale of Years—it's also a psychologically astute depiction of a failing marriage, with some of Tolkien's most in-depth character writing and an unusually frank examination of the role of women in the legendarium. But presenting only excerpts, chopped up and separated by other material covering different events from the same time span, results in a lessened reading experience. This can be seen at the outset: Sibley removed the first several paragraphs of A&E, saving about a page worth of space at the cost of a naturally flowing introduction to the work. In the full story, one of our first examples of Aldarion's differences with his father is that he disliked and avoided "the north country" of Númenor, but Sibley's version fails to convey this, because he cut out the preceding statement that Aldarion's father spent much of his time in the Forostar (and, implicitly, brought his young son with him). This is a minor detail, but it exemplifies how trimming non-essential information creates something more akin to an "explainer" blog post than a work of narrative fiction.

Before the release of this volume, it seemed to me that the natural comparison was to the late 2010s editions of Beren and Lúthien and The Fall of Gondolin, which likewise gathered most if not all of the previously published material on a particular topic into a single volume for the first time. But those books, edited and with commentary by Christopher Tolkien, attempted to trace the evolution of those stories through different versions, whereas The Fall of Númenor seeks to present a more or less self-consistent picture of the Second Age that can be read and enjoyed in continuity with LOTR and the 1977 Silmarillion. I think that's a legitimate goal, but it's strange that more effort was not put into making it narratively coherent. Barring a massive amount of editorial intervention (and invention), I think this could most effectively have been done by presenting Tolkien's Second Age works more faithfully to their original forms.

Sibley is upfront in the introduction that "the definitive presentation of J.R.R. Tolkien's writings" is found in the Christopher-edited books, but surely the goal of gathering all this material in a single volume for ease of discovery need not preclude letting more or less complete texts remain intact. By comparison, I find Unfinished Tales more accessible, not less, for presenting the narrative and descriptive texts in separate chapters, and it means the reader isn't continuously jolted out of the actual stories by cutaways. Sibley did, in fact, include one major text outside this framework: "the Númenórean chapters" of The Lost Road, which appear in an appendix (sadly, The Drowning of Anadûnê did not make the cut). But this appears to be more because of that work's non-continuity with The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales than a desire to showcase Tolkien's storytelling abilities without interruption. Which is ironic, considering that non-interruption of the text is supposedly one of this book's main selling points.

I can't give a full assessment of Sibley's commentary since I only glanced through portions of the book, but I wasn't impressed by what I saw. Then again, I'm not the target audience: this is not a book for the sort of person who chafes against the description of "Tar-Calion" as Ar-Pharazôn's "Númenórean name." And that's fine! Despite the tone of this post, I'll be happy if this book brings more attention to the Second Age. I said the same thing about Beren and Lúthien and The Fall of Gondolin, which I also didn't buy, though it's not clear to me that they actually did bring more attention to those works. (Anecdotally, I have a lot of friends and fandom acquaintances who like LOTR but have never read any of Tolkien's posthumous works, or else only The Silmarillion, and I've never heard any of them mention reading the standalone editions of the Great Tales. I obviously can't say how common this truly is.) But I don't want to begrudge anyone their enjoyment of this volume if they do get something out of it.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:23 pm
by Saranna
I've just picked up my copy from my local bookshop so will come back t this page when I've read it. I heard Brian Sibley's presentation of the book at Oxonmoot in September, and have been looking forward to it.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:06 pm
by Saranna
I am well into the book now and enjoying it - once I have finished I'll do a review on Goodreads then post the review here as well.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:52 pm
by Saranna
Review of
The Fall of Númenor: and Other Tales from the Second Age of Middle-earth
Edited by Brian Sibley and compiled from The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, volumes from The History of Middle-earth by Christopher Tolkien, and other sources.
HarperCollinsPublishers, 2022

I have very much enjoyed this book and believe it will have a valuable place in the wealth of Tolkien scholarship and readership with which we are now blessed.

This is what Tolkien wrote in c1951 to Milton Waldman (Letter 131):
I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama.

After Tolkien’s death, other minds and hands gradually began to take up this invitation. First among them in time and in closeness to Tolkien was of course his son Christopher, whose work demonstrates that those minds and hands may also work upon that ‘majestic whole’ in written scholarship and story, with reverence and commitment.

The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and the twelve volumes of The History of Middle-earth were the work of the man who best understood his father’s work and who laboured for forty-five years to open up that work to those who desired to know more. Yet he went beyond the huge task of editing the unfinished works and draft papers. It was Christopher Tolkien himself who first produced selective volumes designed to bring to readers – especially perhaps readers who might not find the twelve volumes approachable – the three ‘Great Tales’ in the closest possible form to free-standing stories, novelistic in some ways though blending prose and poetic versions of those tales: The Children of Húrin; Beren and Lúthien; The Fall of Gondolin.

Brian Sibley’s work should be seen in this context, for it too focuses on major themes in Tolkien’s legendarium: the Fall, Mortality, Immortality. This work presents the events of the Second Age sequentially as a discrete tale of supreme importance to Tolkien’s work.

Just as Carl Hostetter, in The Nature of Middle-earth (2021) allowed us some further scholarly insights related to The History of Middle-earth, Brian Sibley has added another narrative approach to the stories we so much love, and I thank him for that.

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:18 pm
by Reikon Suchi-ru
A thank you to @Moriel for posting this thread and putting this book on my radar and to @Eldy Dunami and @Saranna for the reviews! I was a bit of a Numenorean junkie back in the days of the Old Plaza, so I was intrigued to hear about a new collected work about the Fall of Numenor. I should have the book in my possession in a few days and I look forward to returning to my favorite setting in Middle-earth!

Re: The Fall of Númenor (new book!!)

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 2:03 pm
by Saranna
You'll enjoy it I'm sure, @Reikon Suchi-ru